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   So.....Are Black Holes really massive gravitational fields that suck in everything within their reach? Or, as I've repeated on occasion throughout this discussion,are they simply a massive void that needs to be filled?The way I see it is that when a star burns out it no longer gives off energy and as  such the existing energy and other matter around it cools, it retracts and thus creates a void that must be filled and as should be a great deal of energy and all sorts of matter will rush in to fill that void.Would you agree given the information I have provided to date?....MTGBWY

thanks for posting, its an interesting read

      In my July posting in response to Wes regarding his imaginary solar system I indicated that we are unlikely able to travel to to other systems at any great speed as I suggested that there were maximum and minimum speed limits to space travel.To attempt to exceed those limits,given the concentration of energy throughout the Universe, would be like plowing through a wall of Jell-o. An example for this would be none other than Haleys Comet.Throughout its orbit it is regulated by these speed limits,both maximum and minimum.On its journey towards the Sun it is subjected to minimum speed limits.It increases in speed throughout its journey inwards and travels roughly the same speed of each planet whose orbit it happens to be crossing.At its closest point to the Sun it is travelling at around 125,000 miles per hour.Once it completes that round about and is on its journey outward to the far reaches of our solar system it is subjected to maximum speed limits as it now begins to slow down and hence once again travels at roughly the speed of whatever planet whos orbit it is again crossing.This I believe is not simply limited to our solar system but likewise throughout the Universe.If we are to escape from this planet we need to forget far away places and wild dreams of visiting other worlds beyond our Solar system and concentrate on what we have closer to home.Fantasy is great to a certain degree but when it comes to planning ahead and spending billions of dollars then reality has to be a first priority...........Here are some other thoughts about Haleys comet........It has a mean distance from the Sun of about 17.85 AU..........Given this we should be able to establish at about where in the Solar system it begins to turn around for the return visit........Once having established that it would be an interesting mission to arrange a rendevous with the little guy with a view to possibly mounting a camera and telescope on it so that we might view its surroundings throughout its journey.MTGBWY

  That was an interesting video.Anyone heard the old story that if you talk to your plants they will grow better?Wouldn't be psychological bennefit would it? It would be more like breathing a good helping of CO2 on them.Yum.

Would not wonder if our atmosphere,and especially the lower portion below cloud level where most CO2 is found,would be too shallow to contain all that warmth? Has anyone compared heat gain (daytime) with heat loss at night?

'Tis claimed that there being more CO2 in the atmosphere has 'caused' global warming.
 
'Cause and Effect' presumes some sort of direct association.

Since about 1870 CO2 has increased from 290ppm to about 390ppm, that is a 33% increase.

Since 1870 the world's average temperature(estimated) has increased from about 13 C to 14 C.

13 C = 286 K
14 C = 287 K.

1K is an increase of about 1/2 of 1%.

A 33% increase in CO2 causing a 1/2 of 1% increase  in temperature seems a RATHER WEAK association to use to claim 'causality'!!  :
 
( Using degrees Kelvin gives one a total increase, using Celsius or Fahrenheit only gives the increase in above 0 degrees.)

    Energy has the effect of putting pressure on objects from all sides.(Ever ask yourself why every thing is round?Planets,Moons,trees humans,the Sun.Pretty much everything) Yet at the same time energy can act as resistance.Let me explain.For this we'll venture off into space.To "zero gravity" as they call it.Lets take a space craft on a mission.As it travels through space it would normally have 100% energy equal to (or greater) the entire mass of the craft putting pressure on it from all sides including top and bottom.As long as that equalibium exists the craft will continue to travel in a straight line in whatever direction it is travelling.But what happens if it ventures close to a planet.As long as the energy on all sides remains the same it will be unaffected.However if it enters close enough to the planet the energy level between the two might drop to ,say,85% or less.This becomes the line of least resistance and as such the craft will be directed or compelled towards the planet on that line.If the craft is teravelling accross a path it will arc aroud slightly towards the planet until it passes a point were the energy along that line increases again to 100% or greater after which it will resume its normal uninterupted path outwards however now in a different direction.If though it ventures closer to the planet or on a path towards it then that line of least resistance becomes shorter and the energy mass between the two dwindles so that the craft is then compelled to the surface of the planet.Unless its path is programmed as such that it will make a safe landi8ng then it will surely crash.Again here I refer to G=M>E.........I fully expect to be challenged on this one....More to come....MTGBWY

    Having now discussed the energy within an atom (though there is more to relate) perhaps now we can venture towards the energy outside an atom and throughout the universe.In my posting # 60 I referred to an atom of oxygen having 3,201,600 units or particles of energy along with its electrons and protons.As I wrote in # 61 there is likely more than that so lets speculate for the sake of discussion that there are 3,500,000.Now lets remove the electrons and protons.What is left? 3,500,000 energy units? Not.As I argued in previous postings we can not have a void.The area vacated by the elements must now be filled with more energy and likely an amount equal to that in the atom.So for the sake of discussion lets then assume that the sphere that was once an atom is now a sphere occupied by 7,000,000 units of energy.(It would be a delight to be able to work out exact numbers here.) This would no doubt represent the amount of energy for a given area but everywhere throughout the universe.So....What effect would this universe full of energy have on little things like planets and moons and how does it influence objects in free fall? It only gets better folks.To be continued.MTGBWY

Wes:Nothing veiled (or failed?).Can Michigan farmers supply enough cream for all that tea?My dog swam in the Welland Canal all summer.It wasn't much warmer in there for an average summer.AS for the carbon/oxygen thing it fits in with my theory in that their true weight is relative to the amount of energy within.We can get into that later.Tonight I will post info re- the energy outside of the atom and its influence.

I can handle that, so long as the tea bag thing isn't a veiled hint at something else.  I did see your comment and made one of my own concerning your theory that Oxygen is lighter than Carbon.  I will wait till you develop that one further before I reply on the forum.